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dibat
24/06/2011, 15h25
Bonjour Messieurs Dames,

j'ai fais le tour de ce forum concernant les questions de créations de restaurants et je m'aperçois qu'il y a des personnes calées sur le sujet et prêtes à aider.

J'ai donc décidé de m'inscrire pour poser une ou deux questions.

Je me présente, Dibat, 26 ans, résident à Paris. J'ai pour projet de monter un camion snack (avec une originalité dont je me reserve les détails) au Japon. Pour le moment je suis sur le business plan.

J'ai pu déjà récupérer pas mal d'info sur le monde de la restauration rapide au japon (et de ses grandes difficultées !). Via le site de JETRO et ce forum j'ai réussi à y voir un peu plus clair sur l'état du marché, les differents acteurs et la législation.

Ceci dit j'ai quelques difficultés à trouver des infos sur la legislation des commerces ambulants. Sauriez-vous m'aiguiller ? ( sites / conseils / documentation) Est-ce le fameux diplôme hygiènes est aussi necessaire pour monter ce genre de bisness ?

Je vous remercie d'avance pour l'aide et le temps que vous passerez à me répondre.

Cordialement,

DIBAT

Az_In_one
24/06/2011, 15h34
Le plus important c'est de payer les yakuzas en temps et en heure.

Tokkotai
24/06/2011, 15h41
Le plus important c'est de payer les yakuzas en temps et en heure.

je te plussoie doucement :D

dibat
24/06/2011, 16h31
J'ai déjà entendu parler de ça sur ce forum. S'agit t'il d'une expérience vécue ? peux tu nous en dire plus ?

Ou alors c'est je dois lire entre les lignes que c'est pas possible ?

liptonic
24/06/2011, 18h53
Je ne dirai rien sur les yakusas mais je crois que cela doit être possible car j'ai déjà vu des camions snac (je crois que c'était des Kebabs) tenus par des non-japonais. Il me semble que c'était à la sortie d' Akihabara electrique town, direct sur la droite. (à vérifier)

Pour le visa, aucune idée de comment ils ont pu faire..

dibat
24/06/2011, 19h41
Merci pour ta réponse.

Oui il y a bien des camions à Akihabara mais pas seulement. C'est la spécialité à Idouhanbai.

Et en ce qui concerne le VISA je pense que j'opterai pour celui d'investisseur mais en investissant les 5 millions de yen (engager deux japonais pour un camion snack serait un peu ridicule).


Donc pour recadrer sur ma question, je voulais juste en savoir un peu plus en matière de législation sur les commerces ambulant. Par exemple y a t'il des taxes et autorisations à avoir ? et est-ce que l'obtention du diplôme d'hygiène est nécessaire comme pour l"ouverture d'un restaurant.

D'autre part si quelqu'un à eu une réelle expérience avec les Yakusas peut il m'en dire plus ?

skydiver
24/06/2011, 23h31
Désolé mais je ne connais pas les conditions administratives. Par contre je sais qu'un Turc possède un camion-snack de kebab installé à Shibuya; à éviter d'ailleurs mais c'est un autre problème.
Concernant les yakuza, pour vendre sur les trottoirs de Tôkyô il faut verser un "écot" à ces brillants sujets. Cela m'a été dit par une Française qui vendait des bijoux fantaisie près du magasin Tower Records à Shibuya ainsi que deux Israëliennes sur le même créneau.

aloignor
25/06/2011, 00h31
"Et en ce qui concerne le VISA je pense que j'opterai pour celui d'investisseur mais en investissant les 5 millions de yen (engager deux japonais pour un camion snack serait un peu ridicule)."

es tu certain de ne pas être être obligé d'embaucher 2 japonais avec le visa investisseur?

fengrim
25/06/2011, 02h33
es tu certain de ne pas être être obligé d'embaucher 2 japonais avec le visa investisseur?
Si il n'est pas certain moi je le suis.
C'est soit embaucher deux japs, soit investir 5 000 000¥

Apres avoir chercher un peu sur le net, il ne me semble pas que tu es besoin de louer un emplacement, En tous cas les vendeurs dans les rues n'en paye pas. La bonne question a se poser est y a t'il une convention spéciale pour les véhicules ?
Si ce projet te tient réellement a coeur, rentre en contact avec Yoko majima http://juridique.jp/. Elle sera a meme de repondre a toute t'es questions, et moyennant un prix elle pourra s'occuper de la creation de ton entreprise de A a Z. Si ces tarifs te paraissent cher (parce qu'ils le sont) essaye de chercher des avocats français installer au japon (Attention ils pourront juste t'aiguiller, et te conseiller car ils n'ont pas le droit de pratiquer le droit japonais).
Et pour finir potasse ce gros copy pasta tu devrais apprendre un truc ou deux.



Setting up an office / company in Japan / Incorporation in Japan


If you wish to get a work visa through your own business that you will start in Japan, it is necessary in most cases to set up a company.Also it becomes more advantageous in some cases to set up a company even if the sole proprietorship is an option for you.For example, it is easier to gain credibility to do business as a company, especially if you deal regularly with Japanese companies.A company has a limited liability, so the responsibility is limited to the amount of the capital invested.After generating certain amount of profit, having a company could offer a possibility to use different tax rates tha would eventually allow you to reduce the amount of tax to pay.If you are starting business with several partners, it is easier to manage the financial aspects by setting up a company.So where to start when incorporating in Japan? It's necessary first to decide the type of company to set up.
Different types of company in Japan
There are currently 4 different types of company in Japan :

Gomei Kaisha consists of partners with unlimited liability.
Goshi Kaisha has at least one partner with unlimited liabilitiy and other partner(s) with limited liability.
Godo Kaisha works in a similar way to what is known as LLC (limited liability company) in Western countries and has one or more partners with limited liability.
Kabushiki Kaisha is run by shareholders with limited liability and by directors who are appointed by shareholders. This is the most well known, prevailing form of incorporation in Japan, used by most major companies.

The new law does not allow to establish a new Yugen Kaisha (form of company that existed in the past and was largely used by small and medium sized companies) anymore, but existing YK can remain as they are.There is hardly no interest in newly setting up a Gomei Kaisha or Goshi Kaisha since they need to include partners with unlimited liability.So practically you have 2 options as to set up a company - Kabushiki Kaisha (KK) or Godo Kaisha (GK / LLC). Now let's see their differences.



Credibility
This is widely known, the most credible form of company in Japan.
Introduced in 2006, GK is still not very well known by many people and some might think that it's not as credible as KK.


Setting up costs
Around 360,000 yen*
Around 250,000 yen*


Governance
Basically those who invest (shareholders) and those who run the company (directors) are separeted, although it is possible for a shareholder to become a director at the same time.
It consists of partners who invest and run the company at the same time. Different from KK, it is necessary to invest (no matter how small the amount may be) in order to run the company.


Minimum number of people required
A shareholder and a Representative Director (can be the same person). The Representative Director needs to be a resident in Japan.
One partner who needs to be a resident in Japan


Publication of financial statements
Necessary
Not necessary


Directors term of office
1 to 10 years with possibility of re-election (which needs to be registered)
No fixed term


Advantages
Being the most credible form of company, it is easily recognized or trusted by Japanese companies.
KK is useful when you need to have directors who won't invest, or investors who won't involve in the day-to-day management.
Possible to decide freely how to share the profits (dividends) between partners, without being binded to the investment rates. Useful when you have partners who would like to join without making a big financial contribution but who can contribute by providing their knowledge, skills or network.


Disadvantages
More costly when setting up
Less credible




Now what are the different steps for setting up a company in Japan ?

In order to set up a company in Japan, it is necessary to follow several steps :


1
Deciding the basic elements and prepare the required documents(click here (http://juridique.jp/incorporation_bis.html#basic_elements) for more detail)


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2
Preparing the Articles of Incorporation (teikan)
The articles of incorporation are the important documents that determine how the company will be managed. They have to be elaborated for each case, according to the needs of shareholders / investors and their relationship with directors.


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3
Notarization of the articles of incorporation (at the Notary Office / Koshonin yakuba)
*ONLY FOR KK, not require for GK
Notarization fee : 50,000 yen
Revenue stamps (also required for GK): 40,000 yen (Note)


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Deposit of capital
Since the company's bank account can not be opened until the registration is completed, it is necessary to use one of the investors personal bank account in Japan to deposit the capital. In case of a foreign company's subsidiary, the Representative Director's personal bank account can be used.


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Preparing documents for the company's registration
In addition to the application form, it is necessary to prepare various documents such as the notification of the company's seal (inkan) that also needs to be registered, a letter of agreement from the directors assuming their office.


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6
Filing the application for the company registration (Registry Office / Homukyoku)
Registration fee : minimum 150,000 yen for KK
60,000 yen for GK


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7
Registration to the registry completed
Once the company is registered, it is possible to obtain a registry certificate and company's seal certificate, required at various occasions such as opening a corporate bank account, signing contracts in company's name.


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Tax and social insurance related procedures, etc.
Opening a bank account under the company's name
Application of the visa and status of residence (http://juridique.jp/immigration.html) for non-Japanese directors and employees
Application of business licences (http://juridique.jp/licences.html) if the type of business requires




All these procedures require in total 2 to 4 weeks, although it could take more when some of the invetors are living overseas.(Note) Our office have introduced the system of electronic signature, you don't have to pay 40 000 yens for the fiscal stamps if you use our servicdes for setting up your company.
Required documents and the details to decide in the Articles of Incorporation
To be able to set up a company in Japan, it is necessary to gather the require documents and decide the following basic elements :Required documents for a foreign individual

Seal certificate (inkan shomeisho) (issued within 3 months) of each investor and director. If an investor also becomes a director, two certified copies are required.
It is possible to get a seral certificate at a city hall if you register yourself as a resident in Japan (which is possible even with a tourist visa).
A seal certificate can be replaced by a signature attestation certified by the Embassy/Consulate in Japan of your own country or by a notary public of the country if the person lives overseas.


Signature (or seal) of each investor and director is required on the Articles of Incorporation and other required documents.


One of the investors personal bank account and its passbook (tsucho)for the deposit of capital (new one can be opened or existing account can be used. Postal saving account, Internet banks such as Shinsei, Citibank, Japan Net bank, E-bank, etc. are also accepted)


Company seal that needs to be registered at the registry office




Required documents for a foreign company

Registrty ceritificate of the parent company issued within 3 months (original or notarized Affidavit if the original can not be sent)


Notarized Signature attestation of the parent company's representative. If the parent company's representative will also become a director of the Japanese subsidiary, 2 notarized copies are required.


Seal certificate (inkan shomeisho) (issued within 3 months) of each director (and private investor if there is any). If a private investor also becomes a director, two certified copies are required.
It is possible to get a seal certificate at a city hall if you register yourself as a resident in Japan (which is possible even with a tourist visa).
A seal certificate can be replaced by a signature attestation certified by the Embassy/Consulate in Japan of your own country or by a notary public of the country if the person lives overseas.


Signature (or seal) of the Representative of the parent company and each director is required on the Articles of Incorporation and other required documents (the originals need to be sent to Japan).


The Representative Direstor's personal bank account and its passbook (tsucho) to be used for the deposit of capital (new one can be opened or existing account can be used. Postal saving account, Internet banks such as Shinsei, Citibank, Japan Net bank, E-bank, etc. are also accepted). It is also possibe to open a special account at a bank for the deposit of capital, although there will be some banking fees.


Company seal that needs to be registered at the registry office




- Details to be decided -
Company Name
The company name can be in alphabet, numbers, kanji, hiragana or katakana (or mixture of these). It is possible to choose any name as long as there isn't another company of the same name registered at the same address. Even though it is highly unlikely, it would be wise to check in advance if there is any other companies with the same name elsewhere or whether the trademark is registered, in order to avoid any problems.Company Address
The company address will be shown on the registry certificate (which anyone can get), so some companies prefer to choose an address to give a good image (such as Ginza, Aoyama, Akasaka, etc.). It can also be one of the Investors/Directors home address or virtual office address to avoid the costs, although a physical office space is required if you wish to obtain an "Investor/Business Manager" visa.Company's Activities
It is possible to list as many activities as you wish to do, including those that will not be performed immediately. There is no obligation in doing all the activities listed and it is also possible to add or change this list later on.If the intended acitivity requires a business license, it is often necessary to have the corresponding activity mentioned in the articles of incorporation.Administration
A KK needs to appoint at least a Director. An investor/shareholder can become a Director at the same time.A Representative Director needs to be elected among Directors (if there is only one director, this person automatically becomes the Representative Director). It is also possible to have several Representative Directors.It is necessary to have at least a Representative Director who is registered as a resident and has a seal (inkan) registered.Corporate Capital
Even if it is technically possible to establish a company with 1 yen, it is wise to fix a capital that would allow to pay the initial expenses, or to gain credibility according to the nature of your business.It is required to have 5 million yen capital (of foreign source) to be able to obtain an "Investor/Business Manager" visa.Fiscal Year
A company is free to decide its fiscal year that needs to be fixed in the Articles of Incorporation. In Japan, many companies choose the fiscal year that ends on the 30th March, but it is also possible to fix the fiscal year that ends in the season when the company or its accountant is not busy.

icebreak
27/06/2011, 01h47
Dans ce cas il faut investir 5 Millions de yen PAR AN

http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/english/tetuduki/kanri/qa.html




Q7.
Would you explain "Scale" requirements in the landing permission requirement for the status of residence "Investor/Business Manager"?


A.
According to Ministerial Ordinance to provide for Criteria pursuant to Article 7, Paragraph 1, Item 2 of the Immigration Control and Refugee Recognition Act, a foreign national will obviously fall under the statuses of residence "Investor/Business Manager" if he/she hires or intends to hire "two or more full-time employees who are residing in Japan (except for the statuses of residence as stated in the upper column of Annexed Table I of the Act)" as stipulated in the Item 1 (b) and Item 2 (b) of the Landing Permission Requirement for the status of residence "Investor/Business Manager." However, if a foreign national does not hire two or more full-time employees, it is unsure how large the foreign national would have his/her business to qualify for the status of residence "Investor/Business Manager." In this sense, the Immigration Bureau has applicable guideline that such foreign national should "annually invest 5 million yen or more if the foreign national intends to start his/her own business."
In line with the Third Report for Promotion of Regulatory Reform, the Immigration Bureau provides specific information on how to handle annual investment of 5 million yen in terms of the status of residence "Investor/Business Manager."





Avec une petite nuance spécifié ici:
http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/english/keiziban/happyou/sougou.pdf

Iriakun
27/06/2011, 03h49
Vu le pognon qui ca demande et les problemes avec, c'est limite suicidaire. Un pote avait aussi ca en tete avec un camion a crepes....bah il a vite dechante surtout que le cote "yakuza", c'est une realite et je compte pas celui des flics qui vont venir regulierement gueuler.

dibat
27/06/2011, 15h07
Merci pour vos réponses et votre implication.

Effectivement il s'agit d'investir 5m de yen par an. Les documentations françaises que j'ai consulté ne sont pas claires à ce sujet. Il me reste encore la possibilité de tout mette au nom de ma compagne.

Fengrim merci pour cette doc, je me suis déjà pas mal renseigné sur les differentes forme d'entreprises japonaises. Par contre ce qu'il me manque c'est effectivement de savoir si il y a une convention pour les commerces ambulants. Je vais donc contacter cette fameuse Majima san.

Concernant les Yakuzas, ok ça doit être contraignant mais payer à eux ou une taxe à la ville comme en France c'est peut être kif kif. D'autres on pu le faire non ? En l'occurence à Idouhanbai là où il y a plein de camions comme ça ont ils vraiment tous payé aux yak ?

Je n'affirme rien hein je réfléchit avec vous ...

tiens en cherchant y'a même des franchises pour les camions : http://www.idouhanbai.com/taian/buy/buy.html

En tout cas merci encore de vous soucier de mon sort

Iriakun
28/06/2011, 03h28
A la difference que la faut payer les taxes et les yakuzas.

Du moment qu'on est japonais, on arrive a trouver plus facilement des financements et les informations necessaires.
Les etrangers qui font ca, je suis pret a parier qu'a 99% ils sont employes tout simplement.
En tout cas investissement a vu d'oeil y en a pour 60 000 euros...et ca m'a l'air bouche comme business.

dibat
28/06/2011, 11h44
A la difference que la faut payer les taxes et les yakuzas.

J'avais cru comprendre que justement il n'y avais pas de taxe à payer. Je vais me faire confirmer ça.


a vu d'oeil y en a pour 60 000 euros...et ca m'a l'air bouche comme business.

Non bien moins que 60K. Et bouché je sais pas, ça dépend d'où je m'installe et de ce que je vend.

skydiver
28/06/2011, 12h02
Bouché, je ne sais pas mais encore faut-il que ça intéresse les Japonais. Sans clientèle, point de salut.

dibat
28/06/2011, 15h53
Bouché, je ne sais pas mais encore faut-il que ça intéresse les Japonais. Sans clientèle, point de salut.

C'est effectivement un des points clef lorsqu'on monte une affaire... :D Je pense avoir une idée qui pourrait marcher !

skydiver
28/06/2011, 16h54
Les "camions-snacks" ne sont pas ancrés dans les habitudes japonaises mais pourquoi pas? Pour en revenir au "camion-kebab" à Shibuya, l'attrait de la nouveauté à joué mais assez peu de temps.
Bon courage en tout cas.

dibat
28/06/2011, 22h28
Les "camions-snacks" ne sont pas ancrés dans les habitudes japonaises mais pourquoi pas? Pour en revenir au "camion-kebab" à Shibuya, l'attrait de la nouveauté à joué mais assez peu de temps.
Bon courage en tout cas.

Merci pour les encouragements.

J'ai mis camion snack parcequ'il s'agit d'un camion mais certainement pas de ceux qu'on peut trouver traditionnellement en France et qui vendent des trucs gras (je connais les habitudes de consommation japonaise et j'ai même fais quelques recherches) . J'ai un autre concept en vue à vrai dire. J'ai employé camion snack comme j'aurai pu dire camion pizza parcequ'il me semble que la problématique au niveau légale est la même.